Tuesday, August 30, 2005
From: Steg
Date: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: [diqduqgeeks] Ashkenazim and the GemiNation
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Lipman wrote:
> Steg wrote:
>> As far as i remember, no natural Ashkenazic dialects preserve _dageish
>> hhazaq_ gemination. Individual Ashkenazim may use it, but it's a
>> conscious choice.
> Exactly. But somehow it seems to have escaped linguists that, as I
> wrote, a very strong indirect trace of it is there, at least in those dialects
> that make a difference between long and short vowels, such all of
> Western Ashkenazi, and parts of Eastern (Galicia). Phonologically and so,
> halachically, IMO, this is equivalent in most cases.
> Guess what's the exception.
> Lipman
> ~ °
> [ 8~)
»Is the exception...the final consonant in "Shema`.... H' ehhad"? Where some people try to lengthen it by geminating a hard /d/ since they have no soft "dh"sound?
-Steg
Date: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: [diqduqgeeks] Ashkenazim and the GemiNation
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Lipman wrote:
> Steg wrote:
>> As far as i remember, no natural Ashkenazic dialects preserve _dageish
>> hhazaq_ gemination. Individual Ashkenazim may use it, but it's a
>> conscious choice.
> Exactly. But somehow it seems to have escaped linguists that, as I
> wrote, a very strong indirect trace of it is there, at least in those dialects
> that make a difference between long and short vowels, such all of
> Western Ashkenazi, and parts of Eastern (Galicia). Phonologically and so,
> halachically, IMO, this is equivalent in most cases.
> Guess what's the exception.
> Lipman
> ~ °
> [ 8~)
»Is the exception...the final consonant in "Shema`.... H' ehhad"? Where some people try to lengthen it by geminating a hard /d/ since they have no soft "dh"sound?
-Steg
# posted by Mar Gavriel @ 9:10 AM 
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It sounds funny when people try to lenghten the dalet and end up sounding "ehadde".... I hear it all the time.
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